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World’s most vaccinated nation is spooked by Covid spike (Chinese-made Sinopharm vaccine widely used in Seychelles)

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World’s most vaccinated nation is spooked by Covid spike

Chinese-made Sinopharm vaccine widely used in Seychelles

Among the vaccinated population of Seychelles that has had two doses, 57 per cent were given Sinopharm, while 43 per cent were given AstraZeneca. Photograph: iStock

 

Marie Neige, a call centre operator in Seychelles, was eager to be vaccinated. Like the majority of the residents in the tiny island nation, she was offered China’s Sinopharm vaccine in March, and was looking forward to the idea of being fully protected in a few weeks.

On Sunday, she tested positive for the coronavirus. “I was shocked,” said Neige, 30, who is isolating at home. She said she has lost her sense of smell and taste and has a slightly sore throat. “The vaccine was supposed to protect us – not from the virus, but the symptoms,” she said. “I was taking precaution after precaution.”

China expected its Sinopharm vaccines to be the lynchpin of the country’s vaccine diplomacy programme – an easily transported dose that would protect not just Chinese citizens but also much of the developing world. In a bid to win goodwill, China has donated 13.3 million Sinopharm doses to other countries, according to Bridge Beijing, a consultancy that tracks China’s impact on global health.

Instead, the company, which has made two varieties of coronavirus vaccines, is facing mounting questions about the inoculations. First, there was the lack of transparency with its late-stage trial data. Now, Seychelles, the world’s most vaccinated nation, has had a surge in cases despite much of its population being inoculated with Sinopharm.

For the 56 countries counting on the Sinopharm shot to help them halt the pandemic, the news is a setback. For months, public health experts had focused on trying to close the access gap between rich and poorer nations. Now, scientists are warning that developing nations that choose to use the Chinese vaccines, with their relatively weaker efficacy rates, could end up lagging behind countries that choose vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna. That gap could allow the pandemic to continue in countries that have fewer resources to fight it.

Economic benefit

“You really need to use high-efficacy vaccines to get that economic benefit because otherwise they’re going to be living with the disease long-term,” said Raina MacIntyre, who heads the biosecurity programme at the Kirby Institute of the University of New South Wales in Sydney. “The choice of vaccine matters.”

Nowhere have the consequences been clearer than in Seychelles, which relied heavily on a Sinopharm vaccine to inoculate more than 60 per cent of its population. The tiny island nation in the Indian Ocean, northeast of Madagascar and with a population of just over 100,000, is battling a surge of the virus and has had to reimpose a lockdown.

Among the vaccinated population that has had two doses, 57 per cent were given Sinopharm, while 43 per cent were given AstraZeneca. Some 37 per cent of new active cases are people who are fully vaccinated, according to the health ministry, which did not say how many people among them had the Sinopharm shot.

 

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probability you can see clearly a vaccine that has proven itself in israel...its dumb if govn do not procure this for the whole nation
14/05/2021 11:24 AM
AlsvinChangan pfizer maybe good but USA is hoarding and not selling to other country

small potato country caanot afford pfizer

Best inject communist developed vaccine sheap and effective

communist developed vaccine is best in the world
14/05/2021 11:29 AM
stockraider Thats why u need to be practical when comes to covid19 vaccine mah!


Remember Msia has 32m population plus 8m of foreign workers, this means if msia go for all pfizers, it need about 120m doses (2 dose per person} and with world shortages, it mean it is physically impossible to do it, unless msia willing to wait like so0hai until 2023 loh!

By then we may need 180m doses bcos the vaccine innoculated done in 2021, 2022 would have expired as the 1 year due for fresh injection of vaccine is due loh!

Pls do it quickly, do not wait like so0hai choosing brands loh!

most importantly go for the 1st vaccine when immediately available, do not wait for brand........this should be the best practise..this is due big vaccine shortage in the world right now mah!


Posted by stockraider > May 14, 2021 11:13 AM | Report Abuse X

Btw the New York times reported Sinovac is the number 1 world safest covid19 vaccine mah!


Posted by AlsvinChangan > May 14, 2021 11:29 AM | Report Abuse

pfizer maybe good but USA is hoarding and not selling to other country

small potato country caanot afford pfizer

Best inject communist developed vaccine sheap and effective

communist developed vaccine is best in the world
14/05/2021 11:32 AM
probability no one is waiting la...but many stup*d people will think economy will recover in years time with this stup*d vaccine la...

that we dont want

they need to be prepared for second vaccination with pfizer lo
..........................................

THIS IS MANDATORY - NO WAY OUT LO!!!

and govn must buy now...

Pfizer producing 2.5 Billion doses...its a shame if Malaysia cannot get this by 2021 and innoculate all!!!!
14/05/2021 11:33 AM
stockraider Correctloh even if u r one of the stupi.d person vaccinated using pfizer u still not really protected mah!

U still need to becareful perhaps still continue wear mask & practise social distancing until we can gert herd immunity loh!

So whether if u use pfizer, sinopharm, sinovac, astra the best practise still need to be supplemented by good safety practise mah!


Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 11:33 AM | Report Abuse

no one is waiting la...but many stup*d people will think economy will recover in years time with this stup*d vaccine la...

that we dont want

they need to be prepared for second vaccination with pfizer lo
..........................................

THIS IS MANDATORY - NO WAY OUT LO!!!

and govn must buy now...

Pfizer producing 2.5 Billion doses...its a shame if Malaysia cannot get this by 2021 and innoculate all!!!!
14/05/2021 11:40 AM
probability Israel has proven it works without any restriction now with Pfizer...dont take chances and waste time any longer lor!!

we need to buy pfizer now lorr!!

its very very urgent lor...
14/05/2021 11:44 AM
GrowingRich Israel probing link between Pfizer jab & heart problem in men under 30

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-probing-link-between-pfizer-shot-and-heart-problem-in-men-under-30/
14/05/2021 12:06 PM
probability people like you discouraging people with unfounded fear lor...the odds are very small... you can see israel a nation with 10million, deaths counts is very small lor....


Posted by GrowingRich > May 14, 2021 12:02 PM | Report Abuse

Israel probing link between Pfizer jab & heart problem in men under 30

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-probing-link-between-pfizer-...
14/05/2021 12:07 PM
stockraider Lets be fair there are also down side in pfizer as in all other vaccine mah!

Do u want the truth or not ah ?

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:04 PM | Report Abuse

people like you discouraging people with unfounded fear lor...the odds are very small... you can see israel a nation with 10million, deaths counts is very small lor....



Posted by GrowingRich > May 14, 2021 12:02 PM | Report Abuse

Israel probing link between Pfizer jab & heart problem in men under 30

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-probing-link-between-pfizer-...
14/05/2021 12:08 PM
probability i see you have issues western vaccine superior than china lor...that looks like the main issue here....LOL!
14/05/2021 12:09 PM
stockraider As i say b4 & i had said many time....quickly make use of whatever vaccine...to vaccinate the people mah!

It is better to have vaccine than not to have any loh!

Waiting like a so0hai for the type of brand vaccine like pfizer is a lousy choice mah!

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:10 PM | Report Abuse

i see you have issues western vaccine superior than china lor...that looks like the main issue here....LOL!
14/05/2021 12:16 PM
stockraider For 1% advantage u wait 2 to 3 years like a so0hai...is it not silly leh ?

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:16 PM | Report Abuse

efficacy is very important...even 1% advantage makes a lot of difference as can be seen in seychelles... it is very clear which vaccine is better....

we need the govn to realize this lorr...
14/05/2021 12:19 PM
stockraider If u can get all pfizer quickly why not leh ?

Raider has no brand preference loh!

But raider is advocate do it fast, do it now and complete the vaccination quick loh!

Raider is totally agst waiting like a so0hai for the pfizer brand we want loh!

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:22 PM | Report Abuse

ha ha...bit are you admitting we need to procure pfizer for the whole nation?

simple le...no need divert argument
14/05/2021 12:32 PM
probability good..my whole advocation is about govn needing to procure pfizer now for the whole nation, knowing that full economic & social recovery is not possible with astrazeneca & chinese vaccines..

nothing more - if you are not against above then no need to promote anything here lor....

there is no argument then
14/05/2021 12:34 PM
stockraider Good Let me summarise the whole thing understanding here loh...!!

Quickly procure all vaccine required but giving preference to pfizer as the 1st choice loh! .


Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:33 PM | Report Abuse

good..my whole advocation is about govn needing to procure pfizer now fir the whole nation, knowing that full economic & social recovery is not possible with astrazeneca & chinese vaccines..

nothing more - if you are not against above then no need to promote anything here lor..
14/05/2021 12:38 PM
probability agreed but need to buy ''pfizer for the whole nation'despite already procuring other vaccines
14/05/2021 12:40 PM
probability Posted by pjseow > May 14, 2021 12:47 PM | Report Abuse

Although the Sinovac vaccines is reported to have 50 % efficacy, it prevent death and serious complications if the 50 % do get infected. This is based on Results from Brazil and Chile. The other vaccinated 50% when infected will get no symtoms ,mild symptoms or moderate symptoms . Those with.mild symptoms like just a fever will recover within a few days . Moderate symtoms like cough and body ache might take longer. However these infected can spread to others. Sinovac vaccines do help in preventing 50 % of those vaccinated from getting infected and the other 50 % if do get infected, you do not need to go to hosiptal . You will recover.

Posted by probability > May 14, 2021 12:54 PM | Report Abuse X

agree and aware of the above pjseow..

concern is will economy and social activity fully recover and be like pre-pandemic level when these 50% are still getting infected (though not severe at all)?

even at 10% level....there is a huge risk of delay in social recovery

to avoid these, i see govn must procure pfizer for the whole nation while they continue with other vaccine vaccination based on availability..

my objective is to have full pre-pandemic recovery as early as possible
14/05/2021 12:56 PM
probability Covid: Biden hails 'great day' as he sheds mask in Oval Office

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57109039

not sure when malaysia will come to that level
14/05/2021 1:48 PM
chinaman Invisible west barbarian...no need to wear mask la....congratulations......covid come to end finally...ya ya. no need mask....wakaka
14/05/2021 1:56 PM
BeastOfTheEast Americans more focused on politicking rather than actually combatting & defeating covid-19 comprehensively
14/05/2021 2:01 PM
chinaman USA got Superman, Incredible Hulk, Spiderman, Mr America... so many heros what...Japan got Ultraman...aiya no need mask one ma...wakaka
14/05/2021 2:03 PM
BeastOfTheEast Or else they would not hv had 32.9 million covid-19 cases & 584,000 covid-19 deaths
14/05/2021 2:08 PM
ramunia Among the vaccinated population that has had two doses, 57 per cent were given Sinopharm, while 43 per cent were given AstraZeneca. Some 37 per cent of new active cases are people who are fully vaccinated, according to the health ministry, which did not say how many people among them had the Sinopharm shot....
14/05/2021 2:12 PM
pjseow Probability, I think it is not that Malaysia do not want to buy from Pfizer. The Pfizer vaccines are under allocation . US prioritize its own country first followed by by its allies EU and then others. The leadtimes could be 6 months to a year or even longer . China can produce larger qty. If Malaysia can get China vaccines and get 60 % of our population vaccinated, it will help a lot .Hospitals will be eased . Those infected with minor symptons can be healed at home . Death will be minimised. I dont mind gettimg sinovac . Having covid antibodies in our body is better than none. More shops can be opened sooner.US allies India , Korea, Taiwan had been shouting but US still cannot provide firm commitments on delivery of Pfizer vaccines to them.
14/05/2021 2:12 PM
probability i am not against any other vaccine vaccination on availability, but govn must intent now to procure pfizer for the whole nation

i realized they had only procured for about 16m presently
14/05/2021 2:21 PM
AlsvinChangan Malaysia is spooked by huge Covid spike and highest death rate ( AstraZeneca USA made vaccine widely used in Malaysia)
14/05/2021 2:48 PM
MuttsInvestor Why PFIZER ? No Supply Released by the US to the World Whilst US HOARD millions of Doses ( Just I Case US needs it ) . So we WAIT till more Deaths and Infection hits Malaysia???? Use what ever is available. Those who Insist can Wait till Pfizer becomes AVAILABLE. Mean while " SINOVAC is my Protection"
14/05/2021 3:06 PM
MuttsInvestor https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/2021-05-14-story-h1565063321-Singapore_brings_in_strictest_COVID_19_curbs_since_lockdown_shares_slum.jsp
SINGAPORE use ONLY Pfizer !!! Now ALSO STRICT LOCKDOWN !!
14/05/2021 3:08 PM
probability the debate is to use highly effective vaccine la...you want to debate about china and west for what?

Posted by AlsvinChangan > May 14, 2021 2:48 PM | Report Abuse

Malaysia is spooked by huge Covid spike and highest death rate ( AstraZeneca USA made vaccine widely used in Malaysia)
14/05/2021 3:18 PM
probability u need to % of vaccination lor...seychelles and israel is the best comparison lor

Posted by MuttsInvestor > May 14, 2021 3:08 PM | Report Abuse

https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/kianweiaritcles/2021-05-14-story-h15...
SINGAPORE use ONLY Pfizer !!! Now ALSO STRICT LOCKDOWN !!
14/05/2021 3:19 PM
probability read all the arguments first...dont msg without head or tail info lor..

your ego size already block your brain cells leh..

Posted by MuttsInvestor > May 14, 2021 3:06 PM | Report Abuse

Why PFIZER ? No Supply Released by the US to the World Whilst US HOARD millions of Doses ( Just I Case US needs it ) . So we WAIT till more Deaths and Infection hits Malaysia???? Use what ever is available. Those who Insist can Wait till Pfizer becomes AVAILABLE. Mean while " SINOVAC is my Protection"
14/05/2021 3:20 PM
914601117 Pfizer daily death in USA is 700-900. DAILY DEATH!!!
14/05/2021 4:49 PM
probability u seem to hate western made vaccine...almost like how some muslims cannot accept other religious views

Posted by 914601117 > May 14, 2021 4:49 PM | Report Abuse

Pfizer daily death in USA is 700-900. DAILY DEATH!!!
14/05/2021 4:58 PM
probability u seem to have lost your rationality
14/05/2021 4:59 PM
ahbah Which vaccine got no blood clot, hearth, death effect ? Thanks.
14/05/2021 4:59 PM
probability almost all vaccine side effects are there but at extremely low frequency.... the risk of driving on the road is higher
14/05/2021 5:02 PM
stockraider IF USA WANT FRIENDS, THEY MUST HELP THE 3RD WORLD MAH...!!

TALK KOOK WITHOUT HELPING IS USELESS MAH!

LUCKILY THE WORLD HAVE ALTERNATIVE CHINA THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP OUT LOH!

BUT USA CONDEMNS CHINA GOOD GESTURES LOH!


U.S. says condemns political use of vaccines after China-Taiwan tussle

By Michael Martina

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The United States stands with Honduras and condemns the "cynical use" of COVID-19 vaccines for political purposes, the State Department said, after Taiwan blasted China for seeking to use vaccines to make diplomatic inroads with one of Taipei's allies.

Honduras, among a small number of Latin American countries to maintain diplomatic ties with Taiwan, has said it was considering opening an office in China in a bid to acquire much needed COVID-19 shots, prompting Taipei to criticize Beijing for pushing a vaccine-for-recognition deal.

Several Latin American nations are receiving Chinese vaccines, but countries such as Honduras and Guatemala that have built ties with democratic Taiwan - which Beijing considers a breakaway province - are not.

"We condemn the cynical use of potentially life-saving medical assistance to advance the narrow political agendas of certain donors," a State Department spokesman told Reuters without mentioning China when asked about the situation involving Honduras.

"Taiwan's relationships with countries in the region, including Honduras, reinforce the hemisphere's democratic values and support sustainable development," the spokesman said, adding that the United States "stands with Honduras as it confronts these challenging times."

China's foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying responded at a daily news conference in Beijing on Friday, accusing the United States of double standards and of hoarding vaccines while not assisting other countries.

Taiwan has complained that China is applying similar pressure to Paraguay, one of just 15 countries that formally recognize the self-governed island over Beijing.

China, Russia, and the United States have sought to deepen ties around the world and further their countries' geopolitical clout through so-called "vaccine diplomacy".

The Chinese government, which has been exporting millions of doses of COVID-19 vaccines mainly to developing countries, has repeatedly denied that it uses them to gain diplomatic advantage.

Beijing has been gradually whittling away at Taiwan's diplomatic allies, which has alarmed Washington, nervous about an increased Chinese presence in Latin America and the Pacific where those allies are concentrated.

The United States earlier this month backed calls from emerging countries led by India and South Africa to temporarily lift patent protection for COVID-19 vaccines in the race to distribute more doses globally.

(Reporting by Michael Martina; Additional reporting by David Kirton in Beijing;
14/05/2021 5:03 PM
Nikmon Why so many stupich china fan here...since when china help Malaysia...china vaccine will not ease the pandemic, as usual it is cheap and less effective, it won't stop transmission since only 50% effectiveness. If we only depend on china vaccine even with 100% vaccinated, 50% will still get infected. China vaccine is used while waiting for western vaccine. For those who got china vaccine, it will strongly recommend to take phizer or other when it is available.
14/05/2021 7:12 PM
AlsvinChangan Near bankrupt Malaysia should use locally make china inspired vacine use in over 100 countries

Give chance to local bumi companies to master vaccine production from China and Russia
14/05/2021 7:19 PM
probability Vietnam seeks 31milliom doses of Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in 2021

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2021/05/15/vietnam-seeks-31milliom-doses-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-in-2021
15/05/2021 2:13 PM
probability Neighbour Philippines said on Friday it was aiming to secure 40 million doses of the Pfizer/Biotech vaccine, in what could be its first supply agreement

.......

all countries waking up.....by the time Malaysia open eyes, all sold out le...
15/05/2021 2:15 PM
probability What's the science behind CDC's decision to say fully vaccinated people don't need masks?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/14/health/cdc-guidelines-vaccinated-science/index.html

The study found that real-life use of the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines provided 94% protection for the front-line workers immunized at the beginning of the vaccine rollout. A single dose provided 82% protection, the CDC-led team reported in the agency's weekly report, the MMWR.

It was the findings from the new study, on top of earlier studies, that pushed CDC to decide to loosen its advice on who needs to wear a mask and when, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said.

"This report provided the most compelling information to date that COVID-19 vaccines were performing as expected in the real world," Walensky said in a statement Friday.

"COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing COVID-19 disease, especially severe illness and death," CDC says on its new web page describing guidance for the fully vaccinated.

"COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading COVID-19."
15/05/2021 3:01 PM
probability Reduced viral load
...................

About 63% of them were vaccinated. Only about 11% had asymptomatic infections, the research team found at the time. Those who got both doses of either Pfizer/BioNtech's or Moderna's vaccine were 90% less likely to get a positive test and those who got only a single dose had 80% protection.

80% protection from just a single dose
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15/05/2021 3:06 PM
apolloang so thinking already vaccinated can go to genting or cruise.....better not until got cure.if addicted ask govt to give genting license to operate online casino....hehe
15/05/2021 3:13 PM
probability its very clear, as proven by Israel and being proven by U.S, malaysia should go all out vaccination like how Israel did in just 2 months (10million).... get the best vaccine and give maximum priority to speed and efficacy....

every day delay..the country loosing its edge against other south east asian country
15/05/2021 3:30 PM
supersaiyan3 Beware of the Trojan horse.
15/05/2021 3:32 PM
probability science le...trojan horse is your papa & mama conditioning of yourself to be biased on gwailou...
15/05/2021 3:34 PM
probability just like muslims were thought from young to see others as kafirs....its very difficult for your brains to see things rationally
15/05/2021 3:36 PM
supersaiyan3 ahbah: "Which vaccine got no blood clot, hearth, death effect ? Thanks."

You asked the wrong question.

In anything, we should aim for the highest percentage of success anyway we could. For example, you play basketball. If you shoot from end to end, there is still a chance you will score. But you still try to get to as close to the basket as possible then shoot, holding everything else constant.

The challenge about china vaccines is not just protection. On the surface, 1. about 3% efficacy after first jab. 2. after 2nd jab, about 20%. 3. after 2 months of 2nd jab, maybe 50%.

This doesn't match with the fact that, for example Turkey, after vaccination begins, cases risen 10 times from 6,000 to 60k then back to 10k. Still more cases compare to before the vaccination begins.

The only exception (took China vaccines) seems to be UAE, where cases gradually coming down since vaccination.

A lot of people, including presidents from various countries, claimed they got covid-19 after 1st jab.

Luckily for malaysia, all reporters took china vaccines (and they know how it felt). That's going to decide our future.
15/05/2021 3:59 PM
supersaiyan3 probability: " science le...trojan horse is your papa & mama conditioning of yourself to be biased on gwailou... "

Trojan Horse means the things that you thought is good but it will kill you instead. I don't know what you papa and mama thought you by the way.

For that i mean China Vaccines.
15/05/2021 4:02 PM


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