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CALVIN TAN SUNDAY SHARING: What it Costs Not to be a Christian, By Evangelist R. A. Torrey (Circa early 1900s)

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Brief Introduction by Calvin Tan

Dear Friends of i3 Investors' Forum,

I have read thousands of books; both spiritual & financial books. In my early days I had a Book Store/Club selling Books & got to know writtings of many authors.

There is one man who could communicate truth clearly among many others - his name is R.A. Torrey, the successor of D. L. Moody

Even after 100 hundred years have passed since his world gospel preching tours his messages are still as clear and valid as ever.

Do read carefully and think deeply

(This message is far more (a million times more) important any tip you can ever get in life)

 

Regards,

Calvin Tan

Jurong West, Singapore

 

 

 

 

 

R.A. Torrey Sermons

R. A. Torrey (1856-1928) was a Congregational evangelist, teacher, author, born in Hoboken, New Jersey. He was educated in Yale University and Divinity School. After a period of skepticism he trusted in Jesus Christ as Saviour. Soon after he pastored in Ohio and then in Minnesota. In 1889 Dwight L. Moody called Torrey to Chicago to become the superintendant of the school which became known as the Moody Bible Institute. He also served as pastor of the Chicago Avenue Church, now the Moody Memorial Church, for twelve years. Between 1902-1906 Torrey and Charles Alexander conducted a very fruitful evangelistic outreach in Australia, Tasmania, New Zealand, India, China, Japan, Britain, Germany, Canada, and the USA. From 1912-1924 Torrey was dean of the Bible Institute of Los Angeles during which he pastored the Church of the Open Door. His remaining years involved holding Bible conferences, teaching at the Moody Bible Institute, and other endevours. (Adapted from "The Wycliffe Biographical Dictionary of the Church, Elgin S. Moyer, Moody Press, 1982)

 

What it Costs Not to be a Christian

"I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto Thy testimonies.-Psalm 119:59

A good many years ago I was talking to a young society lady in the city of New Haven in America, and suddenly she stopped me and said, "Don't talk that way; it makes me think, and I hate to think." The world is full of people who hate to think, and because they hate to think they go into things blindfolded, and come out with blighted hope and broken hearts and blasted lives. It is so in business. How many a business man there is in this city to-night who a few years ago had a business proposition made to him, and instead of sitting down, as any long-headed business man would do, and thinking it all over, and figuring it an out as to how much money he would have to put into that investment before he realized, how many years it would be before there was any adequate return, and what interest on his money there would be, just because it promised well on the surface he accepted the proposition without sufficient thought regarding it, he just put his money into that project and left it there, and that man's life ever since has been a wretched drag for a bare existence. Simply because he hated to think! It is the same way in social life. How many a young woman has met at some social gathering a handsome, attractive young man, a young fellow of pleasant manners, who knows how to do a thousand and one little acts that mean so little and yet so easily gain the hearts of women, a young fellow who is a fine waltzer, and popular and attractive in all his ways; and one night that young man makes a proposal of marriage to her, and instead of sitting down, as any sensible girl would do, and asking herself whether that man has the mental and moral qualities that fit him to be a companion for life, just because he is handsome, because he is attractive and popular, because he is a beautiful waltzer, that young woman accepts his proposal of marriage and marries him; and after a few months she wakes up one day to find that she has married a fool, or, what is worse, a rascal. And all that woman's future life is wretched beyond description, just because she hated to think. But there is no place where that mistake is made so often and where it is so fatal as in the matter of being, or not being a Christian. Men and women go into a Christless life, or, being in a Christless life, drift on in it, without even once sitting down to give the question thirty minutes' honest consideration, What it Costs to Live and Die without Jesus Christ. Now I am going to ask you to do some thinking to-night, some hard, serious, honest thinking. What I am going to ask you to think about is this: what it costs not to be a Christian, what it costs to live and die without Jesus Christ. And if when I get through you think you are willing to pay the price of a Christless life, I have nothing more to say. But if, when you have thought it all out, you come to the conclusion that it costs too much to live and die without Christ, I am going to ask you to do the only intelligent thing there is to do in the circumstances, that is, to stand up here to-night and declare your purpose to accept Jesus Christ right now.

What does it cost not to be a Christian? First of all, what is it to be a Christian? By a Christian, I understand, any man, woman, or child, that comes to God as a lost sinner, takes Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour, surrenders to Him as their Lord and Master, confesses Him as such publicly before the world, and strives to live to please Him in everything day by day. Let me repeat that definition. A Christian is any man, woman or child that comes to God as a lost sinner, takes Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour, surrenders to Him as their Lord and Master, confesses Him as such publicly before the world, and strives to live to please him in everything day by day.

What does it cost not to do it?

1. In the first place not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of peace.-A Christian has peace: "Being justified by faith, we have peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ."-Romans, v. 1. And having peace with God we have peace in our hearts, but no man out of Christ has peace. "There is no peace for the wicked, saith my God." One night in Chicago, after a meeting like this, when the congregation had gone out, I went and sat down in a scat by the side of a gentleman about thirty-five years of age, and I said, "My friend, why are you not a Christian?" "Oh," he said, with a shrug of his shoulders, "I am very well satisfied as I am." I said, "You haven't peace." He said, "How do you know that?" I said, "Because God says so; 'There is no peace for the wicked, saith my God. '" The man dropped his head, and said, "You are right, sir, I haven't peace." And there is not a man or woman in this audience to-night out of Christ that has peace. Money won't give you peace; the pleasures of this life won't give you peace; no number of good earthly friends will give you peace; not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of peace.

2. In the second place, not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of the highest, deepest, purest, holiest, most overflowing joy that can be known right here on earth. -As we read, in the Scripture lesson to-night, in 1 Peter i. 8: "Though now ye see Him not, yet believing in Him ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory." That was Peter's testimony. That is the experience of every true Christian. A real living faith in Jesus Christ gives a man joy unspeakable and full of glory. Nobody out of Christ has joy unspeakable and full of glory. "Oh," but you say, "I know many a Christian that has not joy unspeakable and full of glory." A real Christian? You know there are two kinds-professing Christians and real Christians. Now I will admit that there are a great many people in the world that call themselves Christians, who have just enough religion to make themselves miserable. They are bolding to the world with one hand, generally the right hand, and to Jesus Christ with the other. Of course they have not joy unspeakable and full of glory. But show me a Christian who has dropped the world with both hands, and laid hold of Jesus Christ with both hands, and I will show you a man or woman that has joy unspeakable and full of glory, every time. But nobody out of Christ has joy unspeakable and full of glory. How Satan deceived me along that line for many years when I was a mere lad! I went one day up to the third story of our home, where we had a great store-room where we put away the old books out of the library, and as a boy I loved to go and sit on the floor of that room, and get the books around me and look through them, and one day I came across the covenant of the church of my mother, and commenced to read it, and I said to myself, "I wonder if I cannot be a Christian?" I can say "Yes" to that, and can say "Yes" to that, and that, and after a time I came to a place where it said something to this effect, "If I became a Christian I was to be willing to do anything God said, and go anywhere He said." I shut up the book and said, "No, just as likely as not I'll have to be a preacher if I say 'Yes, to that, and then life won't be worth living." And I threw that book away and deliberately refused to take Jesus Christ, and deliberately refused to think about it any more. Then I said to myself, "I am going in for all the pleasure I can get"; and I had a good opportunity to get it. My father was well off in this world's goods; and as a boy of fifteen I was sent off to the university and matriculated for a degree, and my father sent me up all the money I wanted. Now, if you put a boy into a university, who learns easily and has no trouble to keep up with his class, a boy with a rich father, who does not ask him how he spends his money -I have often thought it would have been a good thing for me if he had- if anybody can have a good time, he can, and I went in for a good time. Did I find it? Yon know whether I did or not. I did not. And I went deeper, deeper, deeper, deeper into dissipation and sin to find joy to satisfy my unsatisfied heart. I did not find it, and one awful night, a mere boy still, with all hope gone, with life desolate and bare, life so barren that there was just one step between me and hell, in fact, that very night I started to take that awful step, to take my life by my own hand. I sprang out of bed and drew open a drawer to take out the instrument that would end my. life. For some reason or other I could not find it. God did not let me find it, and I dropped upon my knees, and said, "O God, if you will take this awful burden from my heart, I will preach the Gospel;" and God not only removed the burden, I found a joy I had never dreamed of in this world, and all the years since it has gone on increasing, with the exception of a short time when I fell under the blighting power of skepticism and agnosticism; all the rest of the time all these years the joy has grown brighter, brighter, brighter every year. Young men and women, if you want the deepest, sweetest, purest, most overflowing joy there is to be known on earth, come to Jesus Christ.

3. In the third place, not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of hope. A Christian has hope.- As we read in Titus i. 2, "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised." Oh, how magnificent that hope is, hope of eternal life! How sure it is, resting on the Word of God, who cannot lie. The world has no hope like that. The world holds out no hope that has any foundation. Hope for the future is more important than present possession. "Oh," some one says, "I do not believe that; give me the present and I will let the future take care-of itself." Yes, you do believe it. There is not a man or woman here to-night thatdoes not believe that hope for the future is more important than present possession. A man rays, "I do not believe it." Yes, you do; I will prove it to you in five minutes. Suppose you had your choice to-night between being a millionaire and having all that money can buy for to-night, with no hope for to-morrow, but with the rising of to-morrow's sun and the opening of to-morrow's banks to be proved to be an embezzler, and all your money swept away, and you cast into prison to spend the rest of your life there; or to be absolutely penniless to-night, but with the absolute certainty that with the rising of to-morrow's sun and the opening of to-morrow's banks you were to be a millionaire all the rest of your life, which would you choose? "Oh!" you say, "that's very easy; I would choose to be penniless to-night, with the certainty that to-morrow and all the rest of my life I was to be a millionaire." So would I, but that only shows that you believe that hope for the future is more important than present possession; and I would rather be the poorest child of God in the world to-night, with the absolute certainty that with the dawning of eternity I was to be for all eternity an heir of God and joint-heir with Jesus Christ, than to be the richest man on earth to-night out of Christ, with no outlook for all eternity but to be cast into God's eternal prison-house of hell. A man out of Christ has no hope, even from the life that now is, that is at all sure. You say, "That is too strong; a man out of Christ may have no hope for the future, but if he is rich he has for the present life." You are mistaken. Come with me to New York City. We walk up Fifth Avenue; we stop before one of the most elegant mansions there; we go up the steps and are ushered through the hall down to the library at the end of the hall. You and I stand there on the threshold and look into the library. In it there are two men deep in earnest conversation. This is not an imaginary case, but an actual one. One of these men is worth one hundred and ninety-six millions of dollars, by an actual inventory of his property taken a few days after the time of which I am speaking. The other man is one of America's greatest financiers. You and I stand there and look in, and you say, "Well, I would like to be in that man's shoes. One hundred and ninety-six million dollars! I do not know anything about his religious convictions, I do not know anything about his eternal prospects, but he is well fixed for many years to come so far as this life is concerned." You are mistaken. While you and I are looking in, that man falls out of his chair on his face on the floor, and when Quincey Garrett picks Wm. H. Vanderbilt from the floor he is a corpse. For all his one hundred and ninety-six millions he had no hope for five minutes. Friends, we all of us here to-night are like men standing on the seashore looking out over the boundless ocean of eternity, and as we look out, there comes towards some of us -those of us who have a living faith in Jesus Christ- gallant vessels laden with gold and silver and precious stones, with every sail set, waited swiftly towards us by the breezes of the divine favour. But toward the rest of us -those out of Christ- as we look out over the boundless ocean of eternity, there come no vessels, but dismantled wrecks, with, no cargoes but the livid corpses of lost opportunities, over which are hovering the vultures of eternal despair, driven madly towards us by the fast-rising blasts of the indignation of a holy and an outraged God. That is what it costs not to be a Christian.

4. In the next place, not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of the highest manhood and the highest womanhood.-Have you ever thought of it, that we have all fallen away from God's ideal of manhood and womanhood through sin? Paul puts it in his tremendous way, "We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God;" all fallen short of God's ideal of manhood; and the only way back to it is by the acceptance of those regenerating and transforming powers that there are in Jesus Christ; or, to put it into ordinary language, by regeneration through Christ. And the best that any man or woman can attain to out of Christ is to be a mere caricature of manhood or womanhood as God created men and women to be. Is there a man in this audience to-night so lost to all that is noble, to all that is good, to all that is truly manly, that he is willing to be a mere caricature of manhood as God created man to be? Is there a woman here to-night so lost to all that is true, to all that is womanly, that she is willing to be a mere caricature of womanhood as God created woman to be? That is what it costs not to be a Christian; and, men and women, if there were no other argument but that, I would come to Christ to-night.

5. In the next place, not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of God's favour.-We have all sacrificed God's favour through sin. The only way back to God's favour is by the acceptance of the Sin-bearer whom God has provided. How plain the Bible makes that. Turn to John iii. 36: "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." "Oh," but some man says, "I do not know that I care about that. The favour of God? God is not real to me. He is so far away. If I have the favour of my neighbour, the favour of my employers, the favour of my friends in the club, the favour of my constituents in politics, I do not know that I care whether I have the favour of this far-away being that you call God or not." Wait a moment; when you go out of this place to-night, look up at the stars over your head, and say to yourself, "The great God that made those stars, the great God that made those wonderful worlds of light, about which the astronomers are telling such wonderful things in these days, the God that holds them in the hollow of His hand as they go whirling through space with such incredible momentum, that God loves me, but He is displeased with me." When you get home to-night and lie down to sleep, and cannot -for I trust, in the kind mercy of God, some of you will not sleep when you get home to-night through thinking of what you have heard here- when you get home and cannot sleep, and all the rest of the house is asleep, and you lie there alone, alone with God, looking up into the face of God, and God looking down not into your face only but also into your heart, say to yourself, "The great God into whose face I am now looking up, and who is looking down not into my face only but also into my heart, that God loves me, but He is displeased with me." Men and women, if I had to face that thought tonight, if there were any way to find peace with God -and thank God there is!- I would not rest till I had found it.

6. In the next place, not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of Christ's acknowledgment in the world to come. How plain the Word of God is about that. Turn to Jesus' own words in Matthew x. 32,33: "Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in Heaven; but whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in Heaven." You will often hear men say this: "If a man believes in Christ in the secrecy of his heart, even if he never confesses Him or says anything about it, God yet knows what is in his heart, and will accept him on the ground of the faith which he never confesses." I challenge any man to show me one line in this book that countenances such a statement. That Word says as plainly as day, in Romans x. 10., "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.- That Word says as plainly as day, and the Master Himself said it, in Mark viii. 38, "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of Me and of My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him also shall the Son of Man be ashamed when He cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." That word says as plainly as day, "Whosoever shall confess Me before men, him will I also confess before My Father which is in Heaven, but whosoever denieth me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in Heaven." You say, "Does not faith save?" Yes, and faith confesses; and the faith that does not lead to confession is no faith and the faith that does not lead to confession will not lead to salvation. I can imagine that great day, when the Lord Jesus summons all His own before the bar of God. There we stand in bright and glorious array, the Lord Jesus Christ at our head, and He turns to His Father and says, "Father, all these are Mine; they confessed me upon earth before men, and I now confess them before Thee My Father in Heaven." But look, away over on the outskirts of that crowd is a man who hung upon the outskirts of the Church of Christ on earth. His sympathies were with the Church, his associations were with the Church, but he was a coward, and had not the courage of his convictions. He was afraid of his business partner, of his associates in politics or in society, and he never came out and confessed Christ openly before men. But he thinks that because he hung upon the outskirts of the Church of Christ on earth, that he can hang upon the outskirts up there. The Lord Jesus Christ now turns to him -I do not believe it will be so much in anger as in unutterable pity-and with a sad wave of His hand He says, "Depart, depart; you did not confess Me upon earth before men; I cannot confess thee before My Father which is in Heaven." Men and women, that is what it costs not to be a Christian. Not to be an open, confessed, out-and-out follower of Jesus Christ.

7. Once more, not to be a Christian costs the sacrifice of eternal life, and means to perish for ever. How plain the Word of God is about that. Take the words of Jesus Christ Himself in John iii. 14,15, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." How plain it is. Believe-have everlasting life; not believe-perish. John iii. 16: "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." How plain it is; believe-have everlasting life; not believe-perish. Once more, John iii. 36: "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." How plain it is; believe-have everlasting life - not believe shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Do you ask me what eternal life means? I cannot tell you. I can tell you what its beginnings are, for, thank God, I have them in my own heart to-night. But what eternal life means in all its fulness, in its eternal outworking, no human language can describe, and no human fancy can conceive. I will tell you what to do. Take that moment of your life whose joy was purest, deepest, highest, holiest, divinest, multiply it by intensity, and carry it out to all eternity, and you will have some faint conception of what eternal life means. Do you ask me what it means to perish? I cannot tell you. You and I sometimes see the beginnings of it in the man or woman who has gone down through sin, in the depravity of their lives, in the corruption of their characters, in their wretchedness and despair. But what it means to perish in all the eternal outworkings of a depraved character, what it means to perish in that endless vista that lies ahead of us, no human language can describe, no human fancy can conceive. But I will tell you what to do. Take that moment in your own life whose degradation was deepest, whose corruption was completest, whose despair was the most blank and the most utter, and whose agony was the most appalling, multiply it by infinity, and carry it out to all eternity, and you have some faint conception of what it means to perish. And that is what it costs not to be a Christian.

Men and women, I put to you then this question: Are you willing to pay the price of a Christless life? If you are, I have nothing more to say. If not, I ask you to stand right up and profess your acceptance of Christ like men and women. Now I will admit that you may gain something by not becoming Christians. I will admit that it will cost you something to become real Christians. It will in all probability cost you the loss of friends that you hold very dear. I never knew a man to step out of the world without losing friends. It will cost you the loss of money, for real Christianity touches a man's pocketbook. I am willing to admit that. You cannot do some things in business if you become a Christian that add to your income and which you do to-day. I will admit that. I want you to know this. I do not want you to come out under false pretenses. It will cost you very likely the loss of pleasures of which you are very fond, and not for one day only, but for weeks and months and years to come. When I gave my heart to Christ I had to give up everything I was most addicted to in the days gone by, the things without which, it seemed to me, life would not be worth living. I want you to know this to-night. We want real conversion here. But I also want to ask you a question: Are you willing, for the sake of a few godless companions that you are better off without, are you willing, for the sake of a few hundred or a few thousand or a hundred thousand, if need be, of pounds sterling, are you willing, for the sake of foolish, godless pleasures that are unworthy of a thinking being anyhow, and unworthy of your brain and your feet and hands, that men and women ought to be ashamed of even if they are not Christians, like the dance, the card table, the theatre, that intelligent people ought to be ashamed of even if they are not Christians" are you willing, for the sake of such things as these, to sacrifice peace and joy and hope and manhood and womanhood and God's favour and Christ's acknowledgment and eternal life, and perish for ever? Are you willing to make so great a sacrifice for so paltry gain? One night in New York City, at the close of a sermon by Dr. MacArthur, a gentleman came to him and said, "Dr. MacArthur, I want to ask you a question; if I become a Christian must I give up my money?" Dr. MacArthur was a wise man, and answered, "If you become a Christian, and Jesus Christ asks you for your money, you must be willing to give it up, every penny of it." The man said, "Dr. MacArthur, I will take a week to think about that." Dr. MacArthur knew it was no good pressing the man just then, and he said, "Very well." The man came back after a week, and said, "Dr. MacArthur, I have settled it; I will hold on to my money till death, and if Christ and Heaven must go, they must go." That was an awful decision, but it was an intelligent one. Are you ready to say that to-night? "I will hold on to my money till death; I will hold on to godless companions till death; I will hold on to my godless pleasures till death; and if Christ and Heaven must go, and peace and joy and hope and manhood and go, and peace and joy and hope and manhood and womanhood and God's favour and Christ's acknowledgment and eternal life must go, and eternal ruin come, let them go and let it come." Are you ready to say that, men and women? That is what you do say, practically, if you go out of this place to-night without Jesus Christ.


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EngineeringProfit Posted by qqq3 > Sep 8, 2019 6:09 PM | Report Abuse

calvin...almost 2000 years of continuous wars in the name of Christ............


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Even astrology had not been spared.....and had been used as 'tools'in ancient wars too.....

......when sapiens choose to go the second path
08/09/2019 6:35 PM
EngineeringProfit Same old scripts......same old war....

....into digital, cyber and drone age of ultron
08/09/2019 6:53 PM
EngineeringProfit New prophecy......when lost and stucked.....

.....go back to the beginning (posted above)
08/09/2019 6:54 PM
calvintaneng Don't waste time with astrology or old wives' fables

STICK WITH THE BIBLE - THE WORD OF THE LIVING GOD
08/09/2019 7:27 PM
calvintaneng A nice song by Jim Reeves this evening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qCSCmmN7Bw

He Will
Jim Reeves
He will give you life eternal
He will
He will...
He will open up the doorway you never knew was there
He will show you many things you knew not how
He will let you know he listens to your every prayer
He will save you by the mercy of His love.
He will guide you through life's battles, He will give you power
He will answer when you call Him night or day
He will shine His light upon you in the darkest hour
He will love you and go with you all the way.
He will…
08/09/2019 7:35 PM
EngineeringProfit Something so good and lovely should be made universally acceptable by all, including my ethnicity- DAYAK

Let us sing together:

The Sun Will

The Sun will give you life eternal
The Sun will
The Sun will...
The Sunlight will shine up the doorway you never see in the dark
The Sun will show you many things you knew not how- like helping the plant to make food
The Sun will always there listening to your every prayer
The Sun will save you by the warmth of its ray.
The Sun will guide you through life's battles,
The Sun will give you muscle power by helping your skin make vitamin D
The Sun will know when call Him night or day
The Sun will shine its light upon you in the darkest hour
The Sun will love you and go with you all the way.
The Sun will…

Oh My Sunshine
08/09/2019 8:14 PM
jaynetan 那一个国家或地区因宗教而太平盛世~

我找不到~幇忙找找看
08/09/2019 8:42 PM
calvintaneng Ok

Time to post 10 Reasons why cyclical Maybulk time to perform has come

See you all later

Stay tuned...
08/09/2019 8:51 PM
EngineeringProfit Posted by jaynetan > Sep 8, 2019 8:42 PM | Report Abuse

那一个国家或地区因宗教而太平盛世~

我找不到~幇忙找找看

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Got.....the Bhutanese im Bhutan. I had travelled there and witnessed it myself.....

.....when I was young
08/09/2019 10:01 PM
Endgame Amitofo...
08/09/2019 10:17 PM
EngineeringProfit That's Buddhism by Siddhartha Gautama......

.....possibly had the same fate as Zoroaster, Pythogoras, Socrates and many great people

sad ending.....the version that he could have been poisoned (his last meal)
08/09/2019 10:28 PM
EngineeringProfit Prof. Dr. Richard Carrier is correct about Jesus
08/09/2019 10:41 PM
EngineeringProfit ....more accurate and scientific too
08/09/2019 10:41 PM
calvintaneng A life spent in communion with God is the pleasantest life in the world...
Matthew Henry
08/09/2019 10:46 PM
EngineeringProfit Imagine for a moment that one of your friends writes you a twenty-page letter passionately wanting to share her excitement about a new teacher. This letter has only one topic, your friend’s new teacher. [But] at the end of her letter, you still do not know one thing about her teacher. Yet, Paul presents the central figure of his theology this way. . . . It [seems] impossible to imagine how Paul could avoid telling one story or parable of—or fail to note one physical trait or personal quality of—Jesus. (Richard Carrier, On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt)
08/09/2019 10:47 PM
EngineeringProfit why in Paul’s letters there are no disputes about what Jesus said or did, and why no specific example from his life is ever referred to as a model, not even to encourage or teach anything or to resolve any disputes, and why the only sources Paul ever refers to for anything he claims to know about Jesus are private revelations and hidden messages in scripture (Element 16), and why Paul appears not to know of there being any other sources than these (like, e.g., people who knew Jesus).
08/09/2019 10:48 PM
EngineeringProfit Scientifically, the answer for all that have been possible on earth and ....

....this solar system

it's the Sun
08/09/2019 11:12 PM
EngineeringProfit Any Dayak can tell!
08/09/2019 11:12 PM
freddiehero y dont choose all home use solar system????
08/09/2019 11:15 PM
freddiehero is tat our country wan earn more money from rakyat?
08/09/2019 11:15 PM
EngineeringProfit Unscrupulous WISCHIP would.get foreign loan and cheat owm ppl
08/09/2019 11:17 PM
calvintaneng God made the Sun and the moon and the sea

Some day in the New Heaven and New Earth

THE sun, moon and even the sea will be no more

Looking back from the age of eternity

God called them "the former things have come to pass"

For God Almighty is the Light. And thee shall be no night there

Amen and Amen because Jesus is the Light of the world
08/09/2019 11:17 PM
EngineeringProfit But wrong sequence
08/09/2019 11:18 PM
EngineeringProfit Children would believe that sequence
08/09/2019 11:19 PM
EngineeringProfit No need Prof. Dr. R. Carrier.

Albert Einstein also would shake his head
08/09/2019 11:19 PM
calvintaneng THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD IS JESUS - Philip P. Bliss

1)The whole world was lost in the darkness of sin,
The Light of the world is Jesus!
Like sunshine at noonday, His glory shone in;
The Light of the world is Jesus!

Refrain:
Come to the light, ’tis shining for thee;
Sweetly the light has dawned upon me;
Once I was blind, but now I can see:
The Light of the world is Jesus!

2)No darkness have we who in Jesus abide;
The Light of the world is Jesus!
We walk in the light when we follow our Guide!
The Light of the world is Jesus!

3)Ye dwellers in darkness with sin-blinded eyes,
The Light of the world is Jesus!
Go, wash at His bidding, and light will arise;
The Light of the world is Jesus!

4)No need of the sunlight in Heaven we’re told;
The Light of the world is Jesus!
The Lamb is the Light in the city of gold,
The Light of the world is Jesus!

Listen to the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLCCfIoIuI4
08/09/2019 11:30 PM
calvintaneng King James Bible
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus spoke to the Pharisees again. He said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will have a life filled with light and will never live in the dark."
08/09/2019 11:34 PM
jaynetan 不丹,对。
但也在改变,政治介入,印度,印度教来了
09/09/2019 7:13 AM
jaynetan 其他地方,各有各乱,

都是月亮惹的祸
09/09/2019 7:18 AM
jaynetan 近邻新加坡,不谈鬼神,大家相安无事,治安一流。
09/09/2019 7:22 AM
EngineeringProfit That's clearly because of boasted ego.......

.....split minded and conflict of egoistic and humblemess

Why? When every religion claims theirs the only real

Others are fake....

Why? When Zakir Naik pointed out thoisands of flaws in the rival holy script.....

Why? When once purported as the greatest mean to unite people from all background.....

.....currently have undeniably evolved into the number one divisove force within every country

Why?.......


Solution:

New prophecy......when lost and stucked.....

.....go back to the beginning (posted above)

Return to the origin.....paganism i.e. Dayakism for spiritual health of any nation

Find a commom ground.....

Return to the forefather's concept of ever-life giving and heart-warming number source of energy in the solar system

Any kid and adult can readily accept this ......without dispute

Teaching otherwise......kids may grow up amd feel disillusion.....

......or even cheated

When they try to imagine hellfire........resurrection......etc
09/09/2019 7:33 AM
EngineeringProfit .......else how to follow the king's order......to be united and set aside differences.....

How? Focus on common ground on.....

What? (above)

Commom ground: astromyth (spiritual mystic thinking) and dualism (good vs bad)
09/09/2019 7:44 AM
jaynetan 还是回歸现实

明天股市找点钱
09/09/2019 7:58 AM
Sslee Dear all,
https://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/Sslee_blog/187643.jsp
The main thing about a religion is, all religions are based on faith; that is belief without evidence.
If the religion narrates a story that says drink the camel's urine to cure blindness, that too you believe. Why wouldn't you? This is your faith. Non-compliance means blasphemy. The punishment is eternal damnation!

I also often marveled by the stories of miracles. Why was it that miracles happened in the past? Why can't present day people meet with angels? Why can't the modern man witness the burning bush or see a man walking on water? Carl Sagan offers an explanation. He wrote in his book, The Demon Haunted World that some of these prophetic traits were signs of mental illness. I can attest to that. I had dreamt of a star bursting one night and I too had been visited by angels during my mania. I can relate well to the story of John Nash, a Nobel Laureate in Economics, who sees figures others cannot see. Click here for A Beautiful Mind.

I can vouch that at least a couple of the prophets had these traits. In a book, a psychography written about one of them, there are very clear pieces of evidence that this person was suffering from the illusion of grandeur, narcissism complexity, and schizophrenia. However, due to the sensitivity of the topic, I present to you the cases of St. Paul of Tarsus, click here to learn more about St. Paul and St. Christina the Astonishing for comparison, click here to learn more about St. Christina.

Having to understand the world religions and their idiosyncrasies does not make me less respectful of the existing religions. They are the foundation of human morality at large. Though some of the teachings are no longer applicable to the mainstream, religions are the glue that binds the society together. When the USSR collapse in 1991, the very first things that popped up like mushrooms were orthodox religions.

Religions make us feel connected to the Creator. When we are sad or distressed, the first thing for religious people to do is pray. For those without religion, the first thing they do is hit the bottle. Richard Branson claimed he is an atheist. But when asked what did he do in a life-threatening situation, he replied, "I prayed to God to save my life." Then he laughed at the interviewer.

There is a quote by Steven Weinberg, a Nobel Prize Winner in Physics: "Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you have good people do good things and evil people do evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."

I disagree with his statement. I know a lot of people who do good things through religion. These individuals no matter which religions they belong will always be good. The evil things done in the name of religions were done by the evil people. These kind of individuals are forever evil no matter which religions they belong.

Religion to me is like a multi-facade lamp shade. Though the shade has various angles, the source of the light is all the same. It is this light that illuminates all the religions. No one religion can claim the exclusivity of the Source.

Thank you
09/09/2019 8:54 AM
EngineeringProfit What a simple, insightful and honest.......summary!

This is all kids need to know about it.......

.....exactly what I preached my children.....grandchildren.....and now great grandchildren

Consistent.......logical......not confusing......

Nice and for the mature ones
09/09/2019 9:19 AM
EngineeringProfit ......just a bit plain and boring

Young kids are more imaginative than we think

They love astromyth.......the forefather of astronomy and history

.....and I still think Dualism in Zoroasterianism is timeless.....

and has vast application (like what followed it....yin-yang concept in Daoism)
09/09/2019 9:19 AM
EngineeringProfit Re-titled: What it costs Not to be a Mature Thinker like sslee!

Costlier indeed.....at individual level......all th way up to global level

......include overspending, drying up country coffer, compromising critically relevant development funding......

.......to millennium of disputes and wars

loss of lives and .....
09/09/2019 9:26 AM
Sslee Dear EngineeringProfit,
I can only pray that religious leaders should share their faith commonalities and together we shall build a better World.

Below are common benefits of praying.
https://www.healthfitnessrevolution.com/top-10-health-benefits-praying/
Prayer is one of the leading pastimes in self-reflection and gratitude. Having the ability to draw inward and speculate is a fundamental skill if one wishes to grow and achieve an unlimited number of goals and grow spiritually. Praying, specifically, provides such benefits as not coming to understand oneself, but promotes virtuous ideals and personal character growth.
• Better sense of self – Praying brings you closer to yourself as well as the higher power you pray to. A study by conducted by Columbia University shows that prayer reduces ego and promotes humility. This makes one more concerned for a greater good rather than just themselves, improving selflessness.
• Good for your heart – Prayer helps regulate your heartbeat, making it stronger and less stressed. Though it is a mental and spiritual activity, prayer has been known to speed up the recovery of the heart following heart attacks and cardiac surgery.
• Increase lifespan – By minimizing all the life-threatening effects of stress and environmental factors, praying helps your body heal more efficiently and age more smoothly. All this put together helps the body heal faster and live longer.
• Improves attitude – Prayer helps you be humbled. Through prayer we come to realize how large the world is and how minor our problems are compared to it. When praying for other people we tend to sympathize to others’ problems rather than be selfish. When praying positively, we tend to see a change in our overall attitude making us feel happy both mentally and socially.
• Gain forgiveness – Prayer helps us to open ourselves to forgiveness. It is important we are all humans who make mistakes and that praying help us forgive ourselves for those past mistakes made so that we can move on. Also, during prayer you may be able to gain some insight and sense of direction.
• Gives us hope – When going through a very emotional phase, prayer helps us believe that there is hope in getting through situations. Praying helps us believe that there is a higher being that we can help us shoulder our burdens. Although having hope may not mean that things will turn out the way we want it to, trusting someone with our problems helps get a burden off our shoulder.
• Relieves stress – We live in a pressure-filled world where we are constantly being rushed to take on responsibilities, succeed and be at the top of everything. Reflecting on our problems through prayer helps relieve the initial stress of the situation. Leaving our problems up to a higher being.
• Stronger mindset – While prayer also promotes hope in the future, faith is also what keeps a religious person centered and strong. Through their belief they have the strength to overcome both trivial and major worries.
• Recovery – After a situation leaves you emotionally or physically distraught recovery is a timely process. Prayer serves as a way to deal with the aftermath and keep one’s faith. Your mind and body are focused solely on healing while prayer keeps you centered and hopeful.
• Maintain a positive outlook on life – Day-to-day issues affect our stress levels and mood. Daily prayer keeps religious people looking forward to a better tomorrow. By being thankful for every day and every day to come praying changes one’s outlook on life as a whole.

Thank you
09/09/2019 10:36 AM
jaynetan Share ?
How?

如果行得通,世界就不会那么乱了
09/09/2019 10:48 AM
jaynetan 满天神佛~
天下之乱
09/09/2019 10:52 AM
EngineeringProfit An analogy to illustrate why most of the founders of great religionss had ended their lives in same fate......

......is by using software......which comes with a warning......issue about compactiblity

If incompactible......the whole CPU system might collapse...
09/09/2019 11:39 AM
EngineeringProfit ....as though their systems are suitable for all

Hence always end up overdoing.....as though more in numbers is better

overdoing as though deeper one dwell into it is better

.....overdoing as though everyone should jump into sub.....specialize.....even before being a generalist in spiritualism



Unlike software......which comes with a warning......issue about compactiblity

If incompactible......the whole CPU system might collapse...
09/09/2019 11:47 AM
EngineeringProfit ....many promoting their systems without issuing warning about this compactibility warning

zero consideration about this.......


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Posted by Sslee > Sep 9, 2019 8:54 AM | Report Abuse

.....person.....suffering from the illusion of grandeur, narcissism complexity, and schizophrenia......
09/09/2019 12:08 PM
freddiehero 妖魔鬼怪在作乱? 还是。。信神到走火入魔。。?
09/09/2019 2:00 PM
EngineeringProfit Many 走火入魔 because of trying to sub into one.....

.....before mastering spiritualism as a generalist

Is like training a cardiologist, one must be learn general medicine first

Also because of issue with incompactibility as discussed above
09/09/2019 2:28 PM
calvintaneng Prayer website to visit today www.inspiretopray.com
09/09/2019 5:12 PM
geary All religions benefit mankind...Read this and learn more...and Be humble... Everyone are equal...!!!
https://qz.com/work/1225207/buddhism-in-america-before-mindfulness-was-popular-the-religion-was-considered-a-cult/
09/09/2019 6:50 PM
geary Why I am still not Happy...A philosophy of Life...!!!
http://www.chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Why_is_Buddhism_so_popular_in_the_West%3F
09/09/2019 7:09 PM
Sslee Dear all,
All should preach the positive and beauty of their faith. This title should be what it gains to be christian.

Thank you
09/09/2019 7:34 PM
EngineeringProfit Posted by geary > Sep 9, 2019 7:09 PM | Report Abuse

Why I am still not Happy...A philosophy of Life...!!!
http://www.chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Why_is_Buddhism_...

_______________

Balance feels best.....Mastering the art of letting go while mastering the art of gaining......

Like Jack Ma.......after making so much wealth......now giving away. Bill Gates also

.......Calvintaneng is the next to follow
09/09/2019 9:26 PM


 

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