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Jeffreyteck
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Posted by Jeffreyteck > Oct 21, 2020 5:40 PM | Report Abuse

Big corruption, small also corruption. Afraid becomes acceptable culture.


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 21, 2020 7:40 PM | Report Abuse

+ 1 I agreed with Jeffrey...

A man who has never gone to school may steal a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad...

Meow


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 22, 2020 11:50 AM | Report Abuse

stable


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 22, 2020 3:29 PM | Report Abuse

sustain


Hidup_PN
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Posted by Hidup_PN > Oct 22, 2020 3:30 PM | Report Abuse

Govn support FGV?


Hidup_PN
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Posted by Hidup_PN > Oct 22, 2020 3:30 PM | Report Abuse

Forced labour in palm oil no longer a problem, says Khairuddin
https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/279889


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 22, 2020 3:48 PM | Report Abuse

green


Hidup_PN
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Posted by Hidup_PN > Oct 22, 2020 4:15 PM | Report Abuse

Malaysia, US need fair platform to address agri-commodity export issue — ministry

KUALA LUMPUR (Oct 22): The Ministry of Plantation Industries and Commodities (KPPK) believes that a fair platform is needed for the United States (US) and Malaysia to negotiate to address the allegations and claims that can adversely affect trade activities between both nations.

Its Minister Datuk Dr Mohd Khairuddin Aman Razali said the government viewed seriously several incidents involving the detention order imposed on the country’s agri-commodity products exports by the US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) recently.

In a statement today, he said on the issue which involved FGV Holdings Bhd, the company had taken appropriate action to improve its foreign workers recruitment system, as well as set suitable standards for workers in line with human rights.

“KPPK was informed that FGV has shown the highest commitment in cancelling the Withhold Release Order (WRO) since the petition was presented,” he explained.

Mohd Khairuddin nevertheless said it could not be denied that the US was an important market for Malaysia’s agri-commodity products, which is among the biggest contributors to the nation’s export revenue.

For the January-August 2020 period, the country’s total exports of agri-commodity was worth RM14.10 billion.

“However, with such incidents happening more rapidly, KPPK is prepared to consider (taking) the appropriate actions to address the issue,” he said.

In 2018, KPPK with the cooperation of the International Labour Organisation (ILO) which assumes the role as study technical consultant had implemented a comprehensive study on the labour situation in the plantation sector in Malaysia.

It was carried out to ensure a more comprehensive study outcome.

The study was tabled and accepted by the Cabinet and will be presented to the US’ Department of Labour as one of the initiatives to remove Malaysia’s oil palm plantation sector from the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorisation Act (TVPRA) which has become the reference to the US CBP in making its decision.

The ministry hopes the move would be able to avoid the ban on the country’s agri-commodity products in the future.

“The ministry suggests that the oil palm industry including FGV continues to explore new markets taking into account the current COVID-19 pandemic situation by focusing on palm exports to potential countries in the African continent such as Nigeria, Central Asia and others,” he said.

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Hidup_PN
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Posted by Hidup_PN > Oct 22, 2020 4:15 PM | Report Abuse

Malaysia, US need fair platform to address agri-commodity export issue — ministry

KUALA LUMPUR (Oct 22): The Ministry of Plantation Industries and Commodities (KPPK) believes that a fair platform is needed for the United States (US) and Malaysia to negotiate to address the allegations and claims that can adversely affect trade activities between both nations.

Its Minister Datuk Dr Mohd Khairuddin Aman Razali said the government viewed seriously several incidents involving the detention order imposed on the country’s agri-commodity products exports by the US Customs and Border Protection (CPB) recently.

In a statement today, he said on the issue which involved FGV Holdings Bhd, the company had taken appropriate action to improve its foreign workers recruitment system, as well as set suitable standards for workers in line with human rights.

“KPPK was informed that FGV has shown the highest commitment in cancelling the Withhold Release Order (WRO) since the petition was presented,” he explained.

Mohd Khairuddin nevertheless said it could not be denied that the US was an important market for Malaysia’s agri-commodity products, which is among the biggest contributors to the nation’s export revenue.

For the January-August 2020 period, the country’s total exports of agri-commodity was worth RM14.10 billion.

“However, with such incidents happening more rapidly, KPPK is prepared to consider (taking) the appropriate actions to address the issue,” he said.

In 2018, KPPK with the cooperation of the International Labour Organisation (ILO) which assumes the role as study technical consultant had implemented a comprehensive study on the labour situation in the plantation sector in Malaysia.

It was carried out to ensure a more comprehensive study outcome.

The study was tabled and accepted by the Cabinet and will be presented to the US’ Department of Labour as one of the initiatives to remove Malaysia’s oil palm plantation sector from the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorisation Act (TVPRA) which has become the reference to the US CBP in making its decision.

The ministry hopes the move would be able to avoid the ban on the country’s agri-commodity products in the future.

“The ministry suggests that the oil palm industry including FGV continues to explore new markets taking into account the current COVID-19 pandemic situation by focusing on palm exports to potential countries in the African continent such as Nigeria, Central Asia and others,” he said.

Read also:
Govt taking measures to deal with oil palm industry labour issues, says Khairuddin

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22 October 2020
Govt taking measures to deal with oil palm industry labour issues, says Khairuddin

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/malaysia-us-need-fair-platform-address-agricommodity-export-issue-%E2%80%94-ministry


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 22, 2020 4:26 PM | Report Abuse

steady


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 22, 2020 5:19 PM | Report Abuse

closed green


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 22, 2020 5:20 PM | Report Abuse

meowwwwwwwwwww


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 22, 2020 10:53 PM | Report Abuse

Meow Meow Meow


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 23, 2020 10:31 AM | Report Abuse

@supersinginvestor I hate cats..
Cat lovers =losers=fgv loser share
23/10/2020 10:04 AM

You sure or not?

FGV today no period...steady aje..

PPB today already got period..already down by 32 cents..

How can Mabel lose when Mabel cost is below RM 1?

FGV: 440,000 hectares
PPB: 41,929 hectares

Mabel loves big plantations..

Meow


drago_7
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Posted by drago_7 > Oct 23, 2020 10:33 AM | Report Abuse

Awesome Mabel.. My cost is also below RM1 ... hehehehehhe


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 23, 2020 10:53 AM | Report Abuse

Well Done dragon_7!

Winners always think alike...

Hihihi...

Meow


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 23, 2020 10:57 AM | Report Abuse

meowwwwwww


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 23, 2020 11:42 AM | Report Abuse

wakakakaka kikikiki... bz body kaaa


Ubah_
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Posted by Ubah_ > Oct 23, 2020 3:11 PM | Report Abuse

Lousy KWAP CEO. Must go asap?


Ubah_
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Posted by Ubah_ > Oct 23, 2020 3:12 PM | Report Abuse

Ex-LTAT CEO Nik Amlizan to be KWAP CEO from Nov 2?
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/exltat-ceo-nik-amlizan-be-kwap-ceo-nov-2


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 23, 2020 3:35 PM | Report Abuse

sustain


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 23, 2020 4:19 PM | Report Abuse

@supersinginvestor Yes winners always think alike so do losers..losers oso think alike wor...
I hate cats.
Cat lovers =losers=loser share lovers...
Birds of a feather flock together...
If want to look for losers come to fgv forum....
23/10/2020 11:25 AM

Looks like PPB's Period Virus is spreading like wild fires (dropped 32 sen). Now FGV also starts to have a symptom of a period (drop 2 sen).

Perhaps it's time we FGV farmers here starts helping our friend, The Man from Unker. Here are some good advice from my Financial Controller..

"If it’s too hard to estimate the probabilities of the events or the likelihood of favourable outcomes is too low, that’s when you should take a step back and move into the next opportunity. The best poker players are able to do this very well. They bet heavily when the odds are in their favour ( after doing their homework), otherwise, they don’t bet at all".

Why not follow us farmers here in FGV. It's all very clear...

Share Price Performance

Over the last 6 months, FGV is up by 27% while PPB is only up by 16.5%

Financial

FGV: Rev RM 3.3 B, YOY is up by 0.5%, Operating income is up by 600%, Cash is up by 642 %
PPB: Rev RM 953M, YOY is down by 17%, Operating Income is down by 83%, Cash is up by 15%

Land size

FGV: 440,000 hectares (Giant Plantation)
PPB: 41,929 hectares (Small Plantation)

Average Volume over the last 4 weeks
FGV: 14,384,105 shares
PBB: 778,145 shares

Potential upside for FGV,

All cleaning up has been done through the FGV Transformation Plan and do not forget the RM700 million on goodwill in 2018 — the group has seen five interested parties, and is looking forward to complete a sale by year end. Hence we are talking another potential right back that will improve FGV Balance Sheet!

FGV has both Oil Palm and Rubber which complement Our World Class Gloves Fantastic Four collection. Malaysia is

World No 1 Biggest Producers of Gloves
World No 2 Biggest Producers of Palm Oil
World No 3 Biggest Producer of Rubber.

I believe FGV has really something to offer to everyone who want to be a clear winner.

Competing at the highest level is not about winning. It’s about preparation, courage, understanding and nurturing your people, and heart. Winning is the result..

+ strattegist wakakakaka kikikiki... bz body kaaa
23/10/2020 11:42 AM

No lah strattegist ...I suppose our friend, The Man from Unker miss us so much. It's all pretty clear. We FGV Farmers here are a bunch of Winners, that's why he always rindu one...always comes here for more lesson :)

Hihihi...

Meow Meow Meow..


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 23, 2020 4:33 PM | Report Abuse

wakakakaka kikikiki... aiyooooo... aiyoyo


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 23, 2020 5:17 PM | Report Abuse

closed down 2 sen


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 23, 2020 5:57 PM | Report Abuse

No worry one..

Our FGV Plantation also got Pineapples..

Sure the symptoms of period will be gone next week..

Unker,

If you need Pineapple from FGV’s Giant Plantation, don't be shy.. we have lots of Pineapples to share..

Our mission in FGV is very clear. We want to feed more than 3 billion people across 200 Countries..

There's enough and plenty for everyone..

Meow Meow Meow


johnbrooks
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Posted by johnbrooks > Oct 24, 2020 7:34 AM | Report Abuse

The edge weekly has a report on the potential termination of the LLA with Felda. From my reading it seems that it is more positive for FGV rather than negative. Yes they would lose out on 350k ha of land (in the end they will only be left with 143k Ha). However, the cash compensation to be received from this cancellation is around RM4bil to RM 5bil (or RM1.10 to RM1.40 cash per share). This does not include the 68 mill located on the lease land. Each of the mills will cost an additional RM30 to RM50 mil or at least another RM2bil. This will total to around RM6bil to RM7 bil (or RM1.65 to RM1.90 per share) With this money, FGV can easily find better plantation lands than the one they currently have (or pay dividend also can).

There is another suggestion that a cheaper way to do this is actually by privatizing FGV. Since Felda already owns 33.7% of FGV. Even if they offer a RM1.50 ( more than 30% premium than current price), it would only cost them RM3.6bil which is only half of what they have to pay FGV to cancel the LLA. At RM1.50 i think most people will take it.


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 24, 2020 8:57 AM | Report Abuse

@johnbrooks The edge weekly has a report on the potential termination of the LLA with Felda. From my reading it seems that it is more positive for FGV rather than negative. Yes they would lose out on 350k ha of land (in the end they will only be left with 143k Ha). However, the cash compensation to be received from this cancellation is around RM4bil to RM 5bil (or RM1.10 to RM1.40 cash per share). This does not include the 68 mill located on the lease land. Each of the mills will cost an additional RM30 to RM50 mil or at least another RM2bil. This will total to around RM6bil to RM7 bil (or RM1.65 to RM1.90 per share) With this money, FGV can easily find better plantation lands than the one they currently have (or pay dividend also can).

There is another suggestion that a cheaper way to do this is actually by privatizing FGV. Since Felda already owns 33.7% of FGV. Even if they offer a RM1.50 ( more than 30% premium than current price), it would only cost them RM3.6bil which is only half of what they have to pay FGV to cancel the LLA. At RM1.50 i think most people will take it.
24/10/2020 7:34 AM

Meow john. You are really spot on.

Just to add if FGV took Tan Sri SM offer, they will regain back the acreage in addition to the compensation as you stated.

PERSPECTIVE Lane (M) Sdn Bhd’s (PLSB) proposal to inject 132,940ha of oil palm plantation land, refineries and downstream activities into FGV Holdings Bhd would create a palm oil producer larger than IOI Corp Bhd based on planted area.

FGV’s plantation landbank size will increase to 212,170ha even if the company ends its eight-year land lease deal with the Federal Land Development Authority (Felda).

IOI has about 176,156ha of planted area, while industry mammoth Sime Darby Plantation Bhd (SDP) has 320,000ha.

Under the deal, FGV can continue to play as a strategic partner to Felda for settlers to sell their fresh fruit bunches (FFB) to FGV mills, especially those mills are located near their land parcels. FGV may continue to be their estate management agent with favourable terms.

Settlers can also sign an agreement with FGV for the latter to continue to manage those estates with an agreed profit sharing or with a minimum payment if the FFB price falls below a certain target price.

Bottom line, FGV will enjoy

1. Compensation which can go as high as RM6bil to RM7 bil (or RM1.65 to RM1.90 per share)
2. Land injection bigger that IOI Corp
3. Potential downstream activities that can help FGV.

To the Man from Unker,

This is how we farmers here in FGV think. We can read between the line. This is why we think those that has invested in FGV will not be a loser.

Thanks for sharing your insight John...

Meow


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 24, 2020 9:15 AM | Report Abuse

yes Mabel... the intrinsic value of FGV is very much higher than
the current market price... we would reap the fruits of our
labour in due course...


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 24, 2020 9:20 AM | Report Abuse

Absolutely strattegist!

Meow Meow Meow


Foker
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Posted by Foker > Oct 24, 2020 3:06 PM | Report Abuse

If Mabel is not closet gay, I want to diu her kaw kaw.


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 24, 2020 5:56 PM | Report Abuse

wakakaka kikikikiki aiyooooooo aiyoyo

bz body kept coming again and again....

hahahahaha...


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 24, 2020 9:56 PM | Report Abuse

@Foker If Mabel is not closet gay, I want to diu her kaw kaw.
24/10/2020 3:06 PM

Wah Foker didn't know you love me so much...following me everywhere I go...

Gay? Is that really you? No wonder I see you at my Innature Body Shops. I thought only gals love Body Shop products. Do you like our soap? It's make from FGV Palm Oil you know. Thanks for patronising Body Shops. Rest assure, it will make you smell lovely..

BTW how's your progress with your DIY? My advice is better Do It Yourself ..

Kaw kaw? Even on Supermax also you cannot hold how to Kaw Kaw?

Meow..


mf
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Posted by mf > Oct 24, 2020 9:58 PM | Report Abuse

bursa panic sell


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 24, 2020 10:05 PM | Report Abuse

- supersinginvestor Fgv is a loser share for losers...
Muahahaha
I laugh at losers@mabel n her bf strategist....get a room...
24/10/2020 2:34 PM

Muahhh unker,

Yes are right, this is definitely our room and we are very proud to put our stakes in this room. We have the ambition to feed more than 3 billion people across 200 countries.

Have you tried our delicious pineapple? Please try it . It will help your PPB from prolong period. Mabel loves pineapples. It not only shorten Mabel's period. It's also full of Vitamin C which is good for Mabel's lovely white skin...

+strattegist wakakaka kikikikiki aiyooooooo aiyoyo

bz body kept coming again and again....

hahahahaha...
24/10/2020 5:56 PM

No lah strattegist ...I suppose our friend, The Man from Unker miss us so much. It's all pretty clear. We FGV Farmers here are a bunch of Winners, that's why he always rindu one...always comes here for more lesson :)

Hihihi...

Meow Meow Meow..


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 24, 2020 10:40 PM | Report Abuse

kikikikikiki... suffer?????..... lol


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 24, 2020 10:41 PM | Report Abuse

I m going to be happy... so will Mabel... no worries

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 25, 2020 9:48 AM | Report Abuse

#strattegist I m going to be happy... so will Mabel... no worries

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
24/10/2020 10:41 PM

Meow strattegist!

Yes Mabel will be here too. Absolutely!

Potential upside for FGV,

All cleaning up has been done through the FGV Transformation Plan and do not forget the RM700 million on goodwill in 2018 — the group has seen five interested parties, and is looking forward to complete a sale by year end. Hence we are talking another potential right back that will improve FGV Balance Sheet!

FGV has both Oil Palm and Rubber which complement Our World Class Gloves Fantastic Four collection. Malaysia is

World No 1 Biggest Producers of Gloves
World No 2 Biggest Producers of Palm Oil
World No 3 Biggest Producer of Rubber.

The latest development could trigger a mandatory general offer (MGO), as PLSB had book value of circa RM1.9bn as at 31 Dec 2018 (vs. FGV’s book value of circa RM4.2bn as at 31 Dec 2019), and shareholders’ approval will be required during the Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM). Additional upside.

1. Compensation which can go as high as RM6bil to RM7 bil (or RM1.65 to RM1.90 per share)
2. Land injection bigger that IOI Corp
3. Potential downstream activities that can help FGV.

Competing at the highest level is not about winning. It’s about preparation, courage, understanding and nurturing your people, and heart. Winning is the result..

I believe FGV has really something to offer to everyone who want to be a clear winner.

Meow Meow Meow


Mabel
10460 posts

Posted by Mabel > Oct 25, 2020 9:53 AM | Report Abuse

@supersinginvestor U people r very rude..i m leaving...losers!!
24/10/2020 11:35 PM

The night was beautiful. The room was cosy with Green ambient soft lights everywhere across the room. There's beautiful enchanting light music in the background and the smell of Jasmine Perfumes (from Mabel's Body Shops) were setting the scene. It was so romantic and a purrfect setup to sail into the beautiful sea..

Suddenly out of nowhere...an old unker storm into your room and start yelling ..*you are all losers?" How would you feel? who is rude?

Just think about it..

Meow


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 25, 2020 4:12 PM | Report Abuse

huahahahahaha kikikiki... bye again???...

wakakakakaka kikikikikiki


Why_
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Posted by Why_ > Oct 26, 2020 8:56 AM | Report Abuse

RM 4.3 billion Felda must pay FGV to terminate LLA nobody aware?


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 26, 2020 10:24 AM | Report Abuse

relax


supersinginvestor
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Posted by supersinginvestor > Oct 26, 2020 10:53 AM | Report Abuse

SELL


mf
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Posted by mf > Oct 26, 2020 10:53 AM | Report Abuse

#BHnasional Menteri Komunikasi dan Multimedia, Datuk Saifuddin Abdullah tiba jam 10.04 pagi diikuti Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri (Ekonomi), Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed disusuli Menteri Perpaduan Negara, Datuk Halimah Mohamed Sadique


8888_
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Posted by 8888_ > Oct 26, 2020 10:57 AM | Report Abuse

Agong reject Emergency(Darurat) good for FGV?


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 26, 2020 11:08 AM | Report Abuse

haiyaaaaa... so many times said bye...
BUT... still coming back...

wakakakakaka kikikikikiki...

love hate syndrome kaaa... aiyoooooo


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 26, 2020 11:10 AM | Report Abuse

lets meow meowww with Mabel...

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 26, 2020 11:12 AM | Report Abuse

@Why_ RM 4.3 billion Felda must pay FGV to terminate LLA nobody aware?
26/10/2020 8:56 AM

Potentially it's more than RM 4.5 Billion. Please see John comments below..

johnbrooks shared:

The edge weekly has a report on the potential termination of the LLA with Felda. From my reading it seems that it is more positive for FGV rather than negative. Yes they would lose out on 350k ha of land (in the end they will only be left with 143k Ha). However, the cash compensation to be received from this cancellation is around RM4bil to RM 5bil (or RM1.10 to RM1.40 cash per share). This does not include the 68 mill located on the lease land. Each of the mills will cost an additional RM30 to RM50 mil or at least another RM2bil. This will total to around RM6bil to RM7 bil (or RM1.65 to RM1.90 per share) With this money, FGV can easily find better plantation lands than the one they currently have (or pay dividend also can).

There is another suggestion that a cheaper way to do this is actually by privatizing FGV. Since Felda already owns 33.7% of FGV. Even if they offer a RM1.50 ( more than 30% premium than current price), it would only cost them RM3.6bil which is only half of what they have to pay FGV to cancel the LLA. At RM1.50 i think most people will take it.
24/10/2020 7:34 AM


supersinginvestor
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Posted by supersinginvestor > Oct 26, 2020 11:17 AM | Report Abuse

Fine..i m leaving...bye


Mabel
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Posted by Mabel > Oct 26, 2020 11:29 AM | Report Abuse

supersinginvestor @mabel..
I old unker meh..
I never said anything oso just advice lor...
25/10/2020 2:47 PM

My uncle is old oledi. So since you say you unker, my visualization is my uncle. He is 94 like TDM..

Thanks and appreciate the advice unker.

Talking about advices. YDPA has already call for ceasefire. Everyone should stop politics. Let the Government of the day work in peace so that they can focus on Covid & Economy.

If you look in the Glove Industry, Thailand Sri Trang is playing dirty tricks to hit Malaysian glove manufacturers. The current issue with US CBP was due to their instigation. Sri Trang factories are likely staffed by illegals from Laos and Myanmar living in worse conditions. The same with Palm Oil, Rubber. Soon the Viet Kong will learn to plant oil palms and China and Thailand will catch up with our Gloves like how Thailand regain No 1 producer of Rubber..

Here is our problem why we are left behind despite countless blessing that God gave us. We are too much inwards focus. Fighting all the times. We have something very precious; we take it for granted. By right we should close rank and focus on the business. That's what eventually will put the food on the table.

Difference of option should be encouraged. As long eventually we all closed rank for the sake of the country should be good for everyone. To be Honest DAP has few MP which are good for the country. Teresa and Anthony Loke are few names that has fine example of leadership. It's such a waste of talent if we cannot use them.

So, let get the budget pass. With Money, for sure Felda surely can pay more than RM 4.5 Billion to us FGV Farmers. Right now everyone should be as gentle as they can be with each other. All Winners..

Deal?

Meow


strattegist
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Posted by strattegist > Oct 26, 2020 11:35 AM | Report Abuse

stable... meowwwwww

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